Meme (Crack Crossovers Time, Part 1)
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jedibuttercupThe crack crossovers meme, part 1! Courtesy of ![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
joonscribble and awanderingbard.
I chose to go with all contemporary-timeline fandoms, just to make things easier, and no duplicate 'verses, to make it interesting.
Choose 10 characters:
1. John Wick (John Wick)
2. Michonne (The Walking Dead)
3. Russ Agnew (Battle Creek)
4. Liv Moore (iZombie - TV)
5. John Reese (Person of Interest)
6. Grace Abigail Mills (Sleepy Hollow)
7. Brian O'Conner (Fast and the Furious)
8. Jupiter Jones (Jupiter Ascending)
9. John McClane (Die Hard)
10. Eve Baird (The Librarians)
1. Divide the list up by even and odd. Which group of five would make a better Five Man Band (like a Power Rangers team)? Who would you slot in each position: Leader, Lancer (second-in-command), Big Guy, Smart Guy, The Chick? If you think the team would be improved by swapping one character between the even and odd groups, which ones would you switch?
LOL. By virtue of the way I assembled the list, this is going to break down into one all-girl team and one all-guy team. Let's see how it goes!
Evens: Michonne, Liv Moore, Abbie Mills, Jupiter Jones, and Eve Baird
Leader: Eve Baird. Prior to becoming The Librarian's bodyguard, she was a Colonel, and part of the NATO Anti-Terrorist group. She's got the demeanor and experience.
Lancer: Abbie Mills. Deputy Sheriff, experienced evil-fighter as part of a small team; willing to duck authority to get the job done.
Big Guy: Michonne. Strong, quiet, tough. Have you seen her with that sword?
Smart Guy: Liv Moore. The sort-of-zombie thing means she can kick ass, but only at the expense of revealing her condition. In the meantime, she's a medical examiner; and gains extra insight from the whole visions-of-people-she's-eaten thing.
The Chick: Jupiter Jones. Because while she may technically be Queen of a whole lot of planets, she's still more comfortable making coffee, cleaning houses, and doing whatever she needs to do to help her family and friends and incidentally save the world.
Odds: John Wick, Russ Agnew, John Reese, Brian O'Conner, and John McClane
... The only one of these I'd immediately thumbnail into one of the roles is John Wick as the Big Guy; he's tough, extremely deadly, quiet, and known as Baba Yaga to the Russian mob.
But the others ... none of them are really experienced team leader types, being more used to working alone or as part of a smaller team. Russ Agnew and John McClane are both canonically smart-mouthed irascible loner cops; John Reese is former CIA who goes around kneecapping bad guys as part of a small vigilante team he doesn't lead; and Brian O'Conner is former detective and FBI and long-time Lancer of his gang of difficult-to-define Robin-hood-ish criminals and racers.
I guess you could call Russ the Smart Guy, by virtue of having been shown to be a very good detective despite his prickly personality and less overtly deadly than the others? And Brian O'Conner the chick, because he's the prettiest, and most likely to be well-rounded enough to serve as the support and heart of this group? Which I guess would leave Reese as possible Leader and McClane the Lancer, or vice versa? But I can't imagine either Reese or McClane would be very comfortable in the leader role.
... Yeah, the girl team is definitely a lot better balanced than the guy team! And I don't think a single character swap would fix the problem.
2. Gender-swap 5 (John Reese), 8 (Jupiter Jones) and 10 (Eve Baird). Which character would have the most change in their story arc? Which the least? Would any of these characters have to have a complete personality change to be believable as the opposite sex?
Eve Baird would have the least change in her story arc, I think. Because her background and role in her show would map over fairly easily to a male character. Though it would make the romantic arc with her Librarian a lot more interesting, unless you swap Flynn as well!
I'd have to see John Reese would be next. You'd have to swap a Jane's background around a bit - I don't know if women were allowed in front-line combat during the time John was canonicaly a soldier, and the backstory on John's ex Jessica and her fate would need careful consideration, due to the way it affects the setup and various threads of the plot. But the actuality of the role a Jane would play in Person of Interest could be very similar to the way it is now without much of a stretch. There's several in-universe examples already, including Kara Stanton (John's former CIA partner) and Sameen Shaw (partner in current endeavors, and also the tough introverted type).
The one that would have the most change to her arc would be Jupiter Jones. From the setup at the fertility clinic, to the almost wedding, to the whole "Mother" thing, just to name a few bullet points, her role in Jupiter Ascending is very feminine. She's one kickass space princess who is definitely a princess, and a lot of her plot and personality would require reworking to make it all fit a prince, if it could be done at all.
3. Compare the matchups of 5 (John Reese) & 8 (Jupiter Jones) and 2 (Michonne) & 9 (John McClane). (Ignore canon sexual preferences for the moment.) Which couple would be more compatible? Which couple would be more plausible to people from either principal's home culture?
Excuse me while I laugh for a moment at the mental images. :)
... I think Michonne and John McClane would be the more compatible couple. More post-apocalypse; but I think they'd even work pre-zombies, too. If she was still a lawyer and a little less hardened by tragedy, they could easily meet and get to know each other like any two normal if slightly introverted and skeptical professional people. Though probably more in the vicinity of movie 3 in the Die Hard 'verse (after he and Holly firmly separate) rather than post-movie 5, because McClane's awfully set in his ways 20 years on. But much moreso in the Walking Dead world: they would be an extremely badass pair of survivors. Mutual respect and appreciation, there.
I don't think forty-something, very stoic, guilt-complex-carrying vigilante Reese would know WTF to do with the much younger, peppier, prettier, illegal immigrant, house cleaner and secret space princess Jupiter Jones. They would have to meet in the course of a case; and she'd have to be very persistent and probably enlist him and the rest of his team as part of her guard/support staff (because she'll have to have one) after using her space princessy resources to deal with the overall POI arc. She'd be supportive of their save the victims who fall through the cracks mission, to be sure; and they would be supportive of her keep humanity from becoming people juice life goal. And he'd find her refreshing, I think. But I still find it difficult to imagine them together, unless it was an arranged or fake marriage leads to a mutually supportive relationship type scenario, for example if plot reasons required her to choose a space consort and Caine wasn't there or wasn't willing for some reason.
4. 7 (Brian O'Conner) becomes 5's (John Reese's) boss for a week in some plausible fashion. How's their working relationship?
LOL. This would have to be set while Brian was FBI, I guess, before rejoining Team Toretto; or before that when he was on the run in Miami gathering a team of his own. Either way, John would probably add himself to the team as part of an investigation for Team Machine. He would be a quiet, competent team player until he came across whatever prompted the investigation - which might improve the working relationship further (because Brian would be on board with taking down an actual bad guy, whatever the legality!) or send it south in a big hurry (if Brian was a criminal at the time, and John decided he was the perpetrator to stop.)
5. 1 (John Wick) finds him/her/itself inserted into 6's (Abbie Mills') continuity. As far as anyone other than 1 or 6 is concerned, they've always been there. What role would 1 be presumed to have had in 6's story, and could they fit in without going wonky?
When John Wick's movie opens, he's been quietly and happily retired from the assassin biz for five years; it's after he's grieving his wife and a Russian mobster kills his dog and steals his car that he transforms back into the Boogeyman and wipes the floor with the whole organization. However, it's clear he's long had an understanding with the local cops, and probably even lived there before retiring; they'll pay a visit if they get neighbor complaints, probably just to make sure that he isn't dead, but they know better than to interfere.
So - in the Sleepy Hollow world, he probably would have had that understanding with Abbie's mentor, the Sheriff killed by the Headless Horseman. Perhaps instead of dying of some long-term illness, his wife is killed by supernatural means; or perhaps some agent of Moloch kills his dog and steals his car, rather than Russian mobsters. So he starts hunting in that world separately from Abbie and Ichabod, with some awkward and probably problematic path-crossing until Abbie finds her mentor's files on him; the local mob either (a) panics, interferes, and still gets wiped out, or (b) backs off upon realizing they're not his target and deciding to leave well enough alone; and he, Abbie and Ichabod settle into a mutual respect and information-sharing alliance of terminating baddies with extreme prejudice.
He wouldn't have to change much to fit right in and make for an interesting secondary storyline. :)
6. 3 (Russ Agnew) and 7 (Brian O'Conner) get three wishes. The catch is that they have to agree on all three wishes before they get the benefits of any of them. What three wishes would they make?
We really don't have much of Russ' background, and he's much more of a prickly loner than Brian. But they both chose to be cops, and have at least a few things in common. So I think, if we're talking personal wishes rather than generic (world peace), and trying to pick goals that would work at any point in their timelines as presented in canon, these might work:
1. To always be in time to stop the bad guys and protect those they care about
2. That condescending interfering assholes would always get their comeuppance
3. The car of their dreams
7. 6 (Abbie Mills) and 3 (Russ Agnew) are brainwashed by a one-time artifact that works even on people immune to mind control to attack and kill 1 (John Wick). They keep their normal personality, skills and competence level, except any Code vs. Killing has been turned off. Can 1 survive? How?
LOL. As competent and skilled as Abbie and Russ both are as law enforcement officers, John Wick is probably the worst target to send them after, being himself an extremely talented assassin. If the entire Russian mob in New York, who knew he was coming and tried to ambush him beforehand, could not take him down? I don't see them doing it. Whether or not they survived the attempt would probably depend on whether or not he was aware of the mind control.
8. 1 (John Wick), 6 (Abbie Mills), 7 (Brian O'Conner) and 9 (John McClane) must help an orphanage full of small and depressed children have a merry Christmas. Who does what, knowing that at the very least the kids will be expecting a visit from Santa?
John has the saved-up funds and meticulous nature to fund and plan the mission, and would be happier in the background anyway; maybe he could bring his dog for the kids to pet? Abbie and Brian could go round decorating and passing out gifts and having heart-to-hearts with the kids about their own underprivileged childhoods, especially Abbie who spent time in the system; they both have warm hearts and little problem being outgoing. McClane would end up in the Santa Suit; he'd grumble about it, and would have to watch his tongue, but he could Ho Ho Ho as required and dialogue with the kids about their wishes like a big kid himself.
9. Your team is 7 (Brian O'Conner), 4 (Liv Moore) & 9 (John McClane). The mission consists of a social challenge, a mental challenge and a physical challenge. Which team member do you assign to each challenge?
Hah; it actually plays out in order. Not that they couldn't each cover the other roles to some degree, being all smart and capable on a variety of levels (well, maybe not McClane in the social role). But they would probably fit best as:
Social - Brian O'Conner, the former undercover officer, who makes family wherever he goes
Mental - Liv Moore, the medical examiner who was reportedly an overachiever as a student
Physical - McClane, the seemingly unstoppable one-man army
10. 3 (Russ Agnew) and 10 (Eve Baird) are challenged to circumnavigate the Earth in eighty days or less, using only forms of transportation invented before 1900. Can they do it, or will they be fatally distracted by sidequests or their own personality conflicts?
In order to even get them to do it, there'd have to be ulterior motives involved for both of them - some kind of undercover investigation or vital artifact-tracing quest. They're not the types to do it for vacation, or a simple challenge. I think they'd bicker and smartass at each other a lot, but are determined and capable of teaming up to stay on task when necessary, so doing it wouldn't be the problem. But there would be lots of calls home to gripe at their partners, and if taking the challenge did happen to be an excuse for an investigation or sidequest, then actually completing it might fall by the wayside unless said partners convinced them to do so after said quest was done.
joonscribble and awanderingbard. I chose to go with all contemporary-timeline fandoms, just to make things easier, and no duplicate 'verses, to make it interesting.
Choose 10 characters:
1. John Wick (John Wick)
2. Michonne (The Walking Dead)
3. Russ Agnew (Battle Creek)
4. Liv Moore (iZombie - TV)
5. John Reese (Person of Interest)
6. Grace Abigail Mills (Sleepy Hollow)
7. Brian O'Conner (Fast and the Furious)
8. Jupiter Jones (Jupiter Ascending)
9. John McClane (Die Hard)
10. Eve Baird (The Librarians)
1. Divide the list up by even and odd. Which group of five would make a better Five Man Band (like a Power Rangers team)? Who would you slot in each position: Leader, Lancer (second-in-command), Big Guy, Smart Guy, The Chick? If you think the team would be improved by swapping one character between the even and odd groups, which ones would you switch?
LOL. By virtue of the way I assembled the list, this is going to break down into one all-girl team and one all-guy team. Let's see how it goes!
Evens: Michonne, Liv Moore, Abbie Mills, Jupiter Jones, and Eve Baird
Leader: Eve Baird. Prior to becoming The Librarian's bodyguard, she was a Colonel, and part of the NATO Anti-Terrorist group. She's got the demeanor and experience.
Lancer: Abbie Mills. Deputy Sheriff, experienced evil-fighter as part of a small team; willing to duck authority to get the job done.
Big Guy: Michonne. Strong, quiet, tough. Have you seen her with that sword?
Smart Guy: Liv Moore. The sort-of-zombie thing means she can kick ass, but only at the expense of revealing her condition. In the meantime, she's a medical examiner; and gains extra insight from the whole visions-of-people-she's-eaten thing.
The Chick: Jupiter Jones. Because while she may technically be Queen of a whole lot of planets, she's still more comfortable making coffee, cleaning houses, and doing whatever she needs to do to help her family and friends and incidentally save the world.
Odds: John Wick, Russ Agnew, John Reese, Brian O'Conner, and John McClane
... The only one of these I'd immediately thumbnail into one of the roles is John Wick as the Big Guy; he's tough, extremely deadly, quiet, and known as Baba Yaga to the Russian mob.
But the others ... none of them are really experienced team leader types, being more used to working alone or as part of a smaller team. Russ Agnew and John McClane are both canonically smart-mouthed irascible loner cops; John Reese is former CIA who goes around kneecapping bad guys as part of a small vigilante team he doesn't lead; and Brian O'Conner is former detective and FBI and long-time Lancer of his gang of difficult-to-define Robin-hood-ish criminals and racers.
I guess you could call Russ the Smart Guy, by virtue of having been shown to be a very good detective despite his prickly personality and less overtly deadly than the others? And Brian O'Conner the chick, because he's the prettiest, and most likely to be well-rounded enough to serve as the support and heart of this group? Which I guess would leave Reese as possible Leader and McClane the Lancer, or vice versa? But I can't imagine either Reese or McClane would be very comfortable in the leader role.
... Yeah, the girl team is definitely a lot better balanced than the guy team! And I don't think a single character swap would fix the problem.
2. Gender-swap 5 (John Reese), 8 (Jupiter Jones) and 10 (Eve Baird). Which character would have the most change in their story arc? Which the least? Would any of these characters have to have a complete personality change to be believable as the opposite sex?
Eve Baird would have the least change in her story arc, I think. Because her background and role in her show would map over fairly easily to a male character. Though it would make the romantic arc with her Librarian a lot more interesting, unless you swap Flynn as well!
I'd have to see John Reese would be next. You'd have to swap a Jane's background around a bit - I don't know if women were allowed in front-line combat during the time John was canonicaly a soldier, and the backstory on John's ex Jessica and her fate would need careful consideration, due to the way it affects the setup and various threads of the plot. But the actuality of the role a Jane would play in Person of Interest could be very similar to the way it is now without much of a stretch. There's several in-universe examples already, including Kara Stanton (John's former CIA partner) and Sameen Shaw (partner in current endeavors, and also the tough introverted type).
The one that would have the most change to her arc would be Jupiter Jones. From the setup at the fertility clinic, to the almost wedding, to the whole "Mother" thing, just to name a few bullet points, her role in Jupiter Ascending is very feminine. She's one kickass space princess who is definitely a princess, and a lot of her plot and personality would require reworking to make it all fit a prince, if it could be done at all.
3. Compare the matchups of 5 (John Reese) & 8 (Jupiter Jones) and 2 (Michonne) & 9 (John McClane). (Ignore canon sexual preferences for the moment.) Which couple would be more compatible? Which couple would be more plausible to people from either principal's home culture?
Excuse me while I laugh for a moment at the mental images. :)
... I think Michonne and John McClane would be the more compatible couple. More post-apocalypse; but I think they'd even work pre-zombies, too. If she was still a lawyer and a little less hardened by tragedy, they could easily meet and get to know each other like any two normal if slightly introverted and skeptical professional people. Though probably more in the vicinity of movie 3 in the Die Hard 'verse (after he and Holly firmly separate) rather than post-movie 5, because McClane's awfully set in his ways 20 years on. But much moreso in the Walking Dead world: they would be an extremely badass pair of survivors. Mutual respect and appreciation, there.
I don't think forty-something, very stoic, guilt-complex-carrying vigilante Reese would know WTF to do with the much younger, peppier, prettier, illegal immigrant, house cleaner and secret space princess Jupiter Jones. They would have to meet in the course of a case; and she'd have to be very persistent and probably enlist him and the rest of his team as part of her guard/support staff (because she'll have to have one) after using her space princessy resources to deal with the overall POI arc. She'd be supportive of their save the victims who fall through the cracks mission, to be sure; and they would be supportive of her keep humanity from becoming people juice life goal. And he'd find her refreshing, I think. But I still find it difficult to imagine them together, unless it was an arranged or fake marriage leads to a mutually supportive relationship type scenario, for example if plot reasons required her to choose a space consort and Caine wasn't there or wasn't willing for some reason.
4. 7 (Brian O'Conner) becomes 5's (John Reese's) boss for a week in some plausible fashion. How's their working relationship?
LOL. This would have to be set while Brian was FBI, I guess, before rejoining Team Toretto; or before that when he was on the run in Miami gathering a team of his own. Either way, John would probably add himself to the team as part of an investigation for Team Machine. He would be a quiet, competent team player until he came across whatever prompted the investigation - which might improve the working relationship further (because Brian would be on board with taking down an actual bad guy, whatever the legality!) or send it south in a big hurry (if Brian was a criminal at the time, and John decided he was the perpetrator to stop.)
5. 1 (John Wick) finds him/her/itself inserted into 6's (Abbie Mills') continuity. As far as anyone other than 1 or 6 is concerned, they've always been there. What role would 1 be presumed to have had in 6's story, and could they fit in without going wonky?
When John Wick's movie opens, he's been quietly and happily retired from the assassin biz for five years; it's after he's grieving his wife and a Russian mobster kills his dog and steals his car that he transforms back into the Boogeyman and wipes the floor with the whole organization. However, it's clear he's long had an understanding with the local cops, and probably even lived there before retiring; they'll pay a visit if they get neighbor complaints, probably just to make sure that he isn't dead, but they know better than to interfere.
So - in the Sleepy Hollow world, he probably would have had that understanding with Abbie's mentor, the Sheriff killed by the Headless Horseman. Perhaps instead of dying of some long-term illness, his wife is killed by supernatural means; or perhaps some agent of Moloch kills his dog and steals his car, rather than Russian mobsters. So he starts hunting in that world separately from Abbie and Ichabod, with some awkward and probably problematic path-crossing until Abbie finds her mentor's files on him; the local mob either (a) panics, interferes, and still gets wiped out, or (b) backs off upon realizing they're not his target and deciding to leave well enough alone; and he, Abbie and Ichabod settle into a mutual respect and information-sharing alliance of terminating baddies with extreme prejudice.
He wouldn't have to change much to fit right in and make for an interesting secondary storyline. :)
6. 3 (Russ Agnew) and 7 (Brian O'Conner) get three wishes. The catch is that they have to agree on all three wishes before they get the benefits of any of them. What three wishes would they make?
We really don't have much of Russ' background, and he's much more of a prickly loner than Brian. But they both chose to be cops, and have at least a few things in common. So I think, if we're talking personal wishes rather than generic (world peace), and trying to pick goals that would work at any point in their timelines as presented in canon, these might work:
1. To always be in time to stop the bad guys and protect those they care about
2. That condescending interfering assholes would always get their comeuppance
3. The car of their dreams
7. 6 (Abbie Mills) and 3 (Russ Agnew) are brainwashed by a one-time artifact that works even on people immune to mind control to attack and kill 1 (John Wick). They keep their normal personality, skills and competence level, except any Code vs. Killing has been turned off. Can 1 survive? How?
LOL. As competent and skilled as Abbie and Russ both are as law enforcement officers, John Wick is probably the worst target to send them after, being himself an extremely talented assassin. If the entire Russian mob in New York, who knew he was coming and tried to ambush him beforehand, could not take him down? I don't see them doing it. Whether or not they survived the attempt would probably depend on whether or not he was aware of the mind control.
8. 1 (John Wick), 6 (Abbie Mills), 7 (Brian O'Conner) and 9 (John McClane) must help an orphanage full of small and depressed children have a merry Christmas. Who does what, knowing that at the very least the kids will be expecting a visit from Santa?
John has the saved-up funds and meticulous nature to fund and plan the mission, and would be happier in the background anyway; maybe he could bring his dog for the kids to pet? Abbie and Brian could go round decorating and passing out gifts and having heart-to-hearts with the kids about their own underprivileged childhoods, especially Abbie who spent time in the system; they both have warm hearts and little problem being outgoing. McClane would end up in the Santa Suit; he'd grumble about it, and would have to watch his tongue, but he could Ho Ho Ho as required and dialogue with the kids about their wishes like a big kid himself.
9. Your team is 7 (Brian O'Conner), 4 (Liv Moore) & 9 (John McClane). The mission consists of a social challenge, a mental challenge and a physical challenge. Which team member do you assign to each challenge?
Hah; it actually plays out in order. Not that they couldn't each cover the other roles to some degree, being all smart and capable on a variety of levels (well, maybe not McClane in the social role). But they would probably fit best as:
Social - Brian O'Conner, the former undercover officer, who makes family wherever he goes
Mental - Liv Moore, the medical examiner who was reportedly an overachiever as a student
Physical - McClane, the seemingly unstoppable one-man army
10. 3 (Russ Agnew) and 10 (Eve Baird) are challenged to circumnavigate the Earth in eighty days or less, using only forms of transportation invented before 1900. Can they do it, or will they be fatally distracted by sidequests or their own personality conflicts?
In order to even get them to do it, there'd have to be ulterior motives involved for both of them - some kind of undercover investigation or vital artifact-tracing quest. They're not the types to do it for vacation, or a simple challenge. I think they'd bicker and smartass at each other a lot, but are determined and capable of teaming up to stay on task when necessary, so doing it wouldn't be the problem. But there would be lots of calls home to gripe at their partners, and if taking the challenge did happen to be an excuse for an investigation or sidequest, then actually completing it might fall by the wayside unless said partners convinced them to do so after said quest was done.
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Date: 2015-05-12 04:33 am (UTC)Mind, I'm still trying to figure out how one recycle or pass this meme, because after the first iteration you (and your readers, the potential spreaders of meme-ness) know what the questions are ahead of time. (I would totally make up a list of characters if someone promised to supply me with a set of questions....)
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Date: 2015-05-12 05:40 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-05-12 05:15 pm (UTC)[finds list randomizer]
Ah. And fortunately, I was reading the first series of questions very, very quickly....
Very well, then.
[whistles, wanders off to own journal]